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I really don't feel like going through my experiances with the average idiotic, womanizing, men which populate the world, but the fact is, the majority of men are just that. My high school is no exception. Even my dad (thank god I don't live with him) and brother are more concerned with a woman's body than her mind.

Yes, there are exceptions to the average asshole of a man, and they ar ethe ones who are my friends, but almost all men are womanizers. I simply can't see why any women wouldn't be a lesbian, furtheremore, how could any women be attracted to the average man, let alone attempt to have a relationship with someone who is more concerned with sex than feelings.

What sucks most, is that those who aren't womanizing, are still viewd with this stereotype by others. Therefore, not only do these womanizing men piss me off, but they also also make me, as a male, looked at with such a horrible stereotype.

Anyway, I know I have no real purpose behind this post, I feel I just have to get some of my rage against men out of my system - premarily because by dad and brother are the biggest obstilcles in coming out due to their womanizing nature.

I know that when I transition, I will be a lesbian, because not only am I attracted to women, but because I could never imagine a womanizing man having a real relationship with a woman.

As being a male my entire life, and knowing what's behind their foreheads, I can only agree. 99% of all men are pigs! In the ice hockey locker room, they talked about the things they liked, and I really feelt different.. that's one part of the unlocking of who I am.

I forget where i read it (second type woman..i think) but the average man thinks about sex at least 50 times a day!, and the average woman only thinks about sex like 3-4 times a day conculsion...men are pigs lol

Exactly!!! Although I'd say only 95% of men are pigs, but that is still a super-majority.

Yeah, you know what things I write when I get exited!

On the matter of why girls still like them, it's because they are heterosexual, we cannot choose who we love. If we could, it would be a lot easier, but much less magical.




I stole that last part from a quote I can't seem to find..

"Why are Men Such Pigs?"

My, My. That should be an easy one to deal with... Then again...

As a person who spent their life around men of all forms I can honestly say that much of their behavior, speech, thought patterns, and motivations seemed to me quite 'pig'-ish. I mean the things they would say when their girlfriends were not around were such that had the women in their lives known of what was being said about them and other women those men would have been alone for the rest of eternity (or so one would think). But then the women didn't know and, after all, 'love is blind'. It is that blindness that allows women to be around those 'pig'-ish men. It is their low self-esteem, and fear of being alone, that keeps them around when they find out. It is also the fact that some women are quite attracted to, or at the very least tolerant of, this extremely male behavior.

Men for their part will change little over time. Their behavior is part and parcel of who they are and what it is to be a 'man'. (Although there are extremes in that range of behaviors.) It has not really changed much from the ancient pre-historic days when that behavior, in a vary complex way, helped them to perpetuate the species. Women, for their part in this, have helped to have helped to secure the existence of this behavior over the course of eons of human sexual evolution through their reproductive choices when mating.

To simply say that 'men are pigs', 'boys will be boys', that men have 'testosterone poisoning', etc., is but a reductionist ploy to avoid looking at the difficult facts of our human sexual evolution. These are forms of solutions that remain with us today from the survival mechanisms employed by primative life forms on through to comtemporary humans. Except for minor variations in behavior due to varied cultural systems there are underlying elements of behavior to all men.

Of course there are exceptions to what we preceive as 'pig'-ish behavior, those men who are sensitive and caring, etc. But these men are seen in the light of contemporary hetero-sexist patriarchal culture systems as being 'less than' other men. It is a strategy employed as a measure to reinforce 'the norm' of 'pig'-ish behavior. We view these men through the filters of our desires as being better than other 'pig'-ish men. But 'better' is a relative state- better at what, compared to what, in what way/s, by how much...? If 'pig'-ish behaviors were not tolerated by women, nor by other men, then theoretically they would disappear over time. Yet, only to be replaced by what?

Don't get me wrong- I don't excuse nor nor condone 'pig'-ish behavior. And like many others I have suffered under expressions of it at the hands of 'pig'-ish men. My personal and extreme way to deal with it is for women to take over world-wide power and to force all men around the world to take small daily doses of an estrogenic compound and a small dose of an androgen-blocker. Then to begin the proper 're-training' of those men. Electric collars should be employed to shock 'pig'-ish men back to reality every time they act on any of their 'pig'-ish impulses. In time we would have a perfect world... well, maybe... But, considering the law of unintended consequences, at what price?

Just some food for thought. Enjoy in moderation. Then again, nothing suceeds like excess.

Janet S-

"Why are Men Such Pigs?" -part II

According to one school of thought-

Part of the problem with the relationship of males to females later in life stems from the that they are not only born, but reared by women. The central figure in their infantile life is female- a mother who is loved and hated, who provides and denies, who coddles and neglects the male baby before it is able to distinguish its five senses, differentiate the inside from the outside, or recognize itself or other human beings.

This early intense encounter with female humanity in the form of the mother has immense consequences: in the dark corner of their minds they continue to perceive women from the pre-logical vantage point of the infant, not as a human 'she' but as an irrational 'it', an abstraction as dangerous and indomitable as 'nature' and 'the flesh'. Because of infantile experiences the body of the female remains magical, while the male tries to gain control and access to that sort of body that was never sufficiently his own. What is male and human is defined in contrast to this early goddess-like power of the female.

It has been suggested that men (and women alike) bear a lingering resentment against the woman because of the mothers power over us as infants, and the only way to alleviate the culturally reinforced fear and hatred of women is for men to share equally in the raising of children. The point of this view is that the roots of sexual identity and feeling are buried in an infancy we have physically outgrown and 'forgotten', but that this infancy continues to haunt us, producing negative adult attitudes toward women: alternatively debased and exalted, worshipfully feared and resentfully controlled, she is never really considered to be fully human.

Biology tells us that our body-minds embed their own ancient history , so too, psycholoanalysis tells us that adult life is never completely released from the experiences of infancy and childhood. Sexual passions, fervent and confused, continue from a past we can ignore but not escape. To what extent the influence of the past can be overcome is a problem in itself. As Madeline Sunley put it eloquently: "One of my favorite questions about the future of our species is what I've come to think of as the horrified spectator question. Can we change destructive behaviors once we are aware of them? Or are we, at least at this stage of human evolution, trapped in a state of cognitive disonance in which, we watch ourselves behave in ways we do not condone?"

Janet S-

Nice article Janet, my life's experience as a human being responds with a resounding yes to both questions!

Hi

I"m a totally straight female after SRS. I personally have not expeirenced men as pigs.

Desire

Desire, its because they have something you're now missing. the ugly side seems a lot less strong now that u got rid of your 'ugly side' that is to say genitals.

i basically agree with Alexandria. I much prefer the company of women (genetic ot transgendered) to men, and when/if i ever do transition to full time womanhood i will be a lesbian.

i already have an "Honorary Lesbian" button on my coat, right next to the "I (heart) the WNBA" one!

i do have some good friends and family who are male, but by and large i am just more drawn to women and the feminine. so perhaps my view is less extreme than Alexandria's.

Put me with the girls too but I can definately appreciate a good looking man.

All men are pigs, including me. And that's just our nature. We're pigs because we're men and we may try to be less piggy, but we can't really stop being pigs.

It is all about the way we evolve as species: Our goal as organisms is to "live forever", to reproduce succesfully, to spread our genes. And I am talking of both men and women, this is for all humans and all animal species, actually. Now, the idea is not only to survive, but to improve the chances of survival of future generations and the best way to do that is to match our genetic information with the best possible: I am short, I'll mate with a tall person, so our offspring will be taller. That's also a reason why we find total opposites atractive, because chances are that this exotic specimen will be immune to what we are not, and he/she may find us immune to what he/she is not. For the same reasoning we find mating to close relatives disgusting: there's no enrichment in mating with someone that shares almost your same genetic information and even worse, weak genetic mutations that may be lost in one generations may become stronger if we mate with our sisters.

Men and women are different and we have different strategies. This is not reasoned, it is instinct. A man can produce sperm enough to repopulate the planet within weeks. In theory, if he wants to match with the best possible specimen and guarantee the survival of his genetic information, he just needs to sleep with as many women as he can. Babies? Well, he can choose to stay and nurture them or not, that all depends on how much he likes the woman, in how "attractive" she is. Women, on the other hand have a limited amount of eggs, they produce only one a month (exceptionally more) and if they get pregnant they are stuck with a baby not only for nine months but for as much time it takes for the baby to become independent, basically four years (we're talking about our most primitive); therefore, a woman has to be picky, she has to choose who to mate with, because the result is a baby. If you are a man and sleep with an ugly, sick woman that becomes pregnant: hey shit happens, next!, better luck next time (that could be tomorrow), see you later. If you are a woman and sleep with an ugly, disgusting sick man and you become pregnant, you're screwed, you got an ugly baby. You better choose very well who you sleep with.

We live in the 21st century and we have all sorts of contraception methods. But we're still animals. We do things animals do: we eat, we breath, we reproduce. That's how we evolved and for that reason men still have an urge to reproduce every second of every day, urge that the women don't really share, except for a few days of the month, when they're fertile and the amount of hormones in their brains makes them a bit hornier than usual. No wonder we still have so many unwanted pregnancies when it is actually so difficult to get pregnant in this day and age: hormones trick us.

When you're gay it's even more difficult not to be a pig. Straight men must get a lot of no's before they get a yes. Gay men are basically pigs wanting to mate with pigs. None will get pregnant, none has to be picky. I just cheated on my boyfriend and I feel like shit. Why I did it? I don't know. Haven't done it for six months (oh yes, wasn't the first time) and the guy wasn't really worth a piss. Cute face, but flabby, caboose the size of a truck and a total prick. Yuck! I feel so sick. Alcohol and hormones. No matter how many times the little voice said no, how many times it said run, get out, escape, I slept with the prick from hell (now I hate him, he made me sin!) but it's so difficult! My boyfriend and I have a long distance relationship, that could be my only excuse, we see each other only once every two months, but I know no woman would forgive that. No matter how much I try to be faithful I end up not being. It's like an addiction. It's like balls on command. No matter how smart, how well educated, or worse, no matter how much you love your boyfriend/girlfriend, you end up cheating and it has nothing to do with love, but with an urge I like to call "inferno" that commands your every move on a Saturday night.

So, women, stop lamenting of men being pigs. They will never stop being pigs. I guess the only way to control them is to give them yourselves what they want. It's not that bad! Use them, abuse them, make them cry. A king is a poodle in the hands of his mistress. Be smart and instead of recommending estrogen hormone therapy (who's that nazi?) use your brain and use your hips and use all men biggest weakness in your advantage. Men are pigs? Make ham out of them.

Hi um.. pig_man (Though, I suspect you're far) from being a pig despite your self-reproach.

I really enjoyed your post. It was thoughtful and insightful and I think you'll find many of us agreeing with you.

It sounds like you have a pretty substantial amount of guilt over your behavior. That's regrettable but understandable given your self described failings.

The point, I think, is that until we as people (male and female) learn to put the feelings and concerns of our chosen mates above our own we are doomed to cause hurt and generate turmoil and strife.

The fallout is never good. However, learning to discard our selfish desires is a maturing process and requires us to be aware of our own needs and hurts. If we understand what makes us tick then we have the knowledge needed to combat our selfish impulses.

This is probably to trite and simple an answer but I do believe there's some truth in what I say.

Thanx for posting "pig_man" but be good to yourself and change your ID to something less reproachful. You seem like a very decent guy.

Good words Rachel! Yes, I tend to agree that "most" men are pigs, although the fact that you have so much remorse tells me otherwise with you. You definitely highlight the difference between gay and TS in your post with gays being ruled by the penis (and a little alcohol thrown in). For the most part M2F TS avoid the penis thing like the plague, I know for me it never brought me pleasure in any way shape or form.

Just one of the differences between us.